It’s the age-old question: What good is an amazing kill-to-death ratio in Call of Duty if you lose the game? At the same time, you’ve got to flex on the lobby with your supreme gunplay—so which is most important?

Modern Warfare 3 players were split over the two metrics as discussion was sparked in an April 14 thread on the MW3 subreddit. One player questioned the point of getting kills if you can’t close out your matches. “Every time people rant (or more rarely, brag) about the game, they cite their K/D ratio. No one really seems to cite the W/L ratio,” they wrote. While many players favored the win-loss ratio being a true stat to judge a player’s skill, others supported the kill-to-death ratio simply because the main factor an individual can control.